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Technical discussions => Rendering => Topic started by: rtyer on February 26, 2015, 11:35:23 AM

Title: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 26, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
Simply put I would like to render out a scene 16x20 inches to be used as a print (poster).
Can this be done>
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: guest84672 on February 26, 2015, 01:34:13 PM
Yes. 16" x 20" at 300dpi would be 4800 by 6400 pixels. Adjust your realtime window under the settings tab to 480 by 640, or 720 by 960 pixels, for example, or any resolution that maintains the 4 by 5 aspect ratio. Set up your scene, and then render at the desired size and dpi.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 26, 2015, 05:27:49 PM
Will try, portrait orientation?
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 26, 2015, 05:36:36 PM
Tried to adjust as mentioned, no matter now I try cannot do 480x640 can only do
640X480. Program keep changing the second number to give a landscape setup.
Even with locks  turned off.
Need to do as portrait, possible?
Or is only landscape and 1x1 possible?
Thank you
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 04:37:19 AM
Have tried all aspects, am I correct in assuming that unless I chose a 1x1 aspect, I cannot
do a orientation other than landscape.
Can work around it if true, just do not want to keep butting my head against the wall.
Thank you
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Finema on February 27, 2015, 04:44:37 AM
Hi
have you try to uncheck Aspect and resolution before changing dimensions ?
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 06:54:17 AM
Yes, have tried everything.
If you could show me a window, as in your illustration that makes a portrait
size will persevere.
Hate to admit this but have been at this for hours.
Most of what I do is portrait, have been using 1x1 but certain problems have
arisen with clients.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 07:00:52 AM
This is the screen I get//
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Finema on February 27, 2015, 07:25:01 AM
here the screen >
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 07:41:19 AM
Read size underneath you post image, this is a landscape
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Speedster on February 27, 2015, 07:44:24 AM
Ignore the presets.  Uncheck Lock Aspect.  Enter 480 in the left box and 640 in the right (or other sizes).  Check Lock Aspect.  Good to go.  Render to 4800 x 6000.  Note that when dropped into Photoshop it will show up as 72 dpi.  No matter- just > Resize Image Size (with Resample unchecked) and replace the 72 with 300.
Bill G
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 08:06:56 AM
Ignore the presets.  Uncheck Lock Aspect.  Enter 480 in the left box and 640 in the right (or other sizes).  Check Lock Aspect.  Good to go. [/

No!
With totally new scene, aspect unchecked ,resolution unchecked  I can type the number on the left, KeyShot automaticly fills in the box on the right with its own number making it landscape.
If I type the number on the right, same thing.

The only way I can get something other than a landscape
is to select the 1x1 preset

Key shot will not allow me to type in my own second number otherwise

Truly seriously honest, have been at this for about 6 hours.
Have uninstalled and reinstalled program.
If landscape was the default and I had to work around it, could live with that.
Now.
Two people have told me it's possible.
What the hell am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Finema on February 27, 2015, 08:12:39 AM
Quote from: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 07:41:19 AM
Read size underneath you post image, this is a landscape
it's the size of the screenshot ! not of the presets
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 08:37:45 AM
Ok, apologies.
Now.
How do I make portrait render
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 08:53:48 AM
Step by step question.
1. In preferences, before starting, I have disabled adjust aspect ratio to backplate
2. Program opens to default scene.
I hit spacebar, Scene tab opens, I select settings.
3. I make sure that lock aspect, lock resolution are unchecked.
4. The scene I wish to start is 480 by 640.
I type 480 in box on left.
As I am writing this keyshot has changed the number
to 682 as soon as I type it in. The number on the right changes to 601. I go to the number on the right and type
640. Keyshot adjusts number on left to 682. If I over type
682 with 480 it immediately changes number to 682.

This is the stuff that puts you on the ledge.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 27, 2015, 09:28:42 AM
Could the actual monitor screen or program in the window have an effect, Just noticed
that with the settings window open and boxes unchecked if I mouse drag the program
window, it changes the setting themselves.
Cannot find any default settings for the actual program display.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 05:04:17 AM
To whomever has the same problem and finds this thread.
Yesterday, all over this forum I posted various ways of asking about this problem.
The three or four answers I received all said the same thing. Uncheck the aspect, and the resolution
boxes in the settings window and type in what you wish.
To all of them I kept saying that it did not work.
I would type a number and Keyshot would change it.
For about 6 hours, ( hate to admit this) I worked on the problem.
I uninstalled and reinstalled the program twice. Since I have to change all the folder defaults
and have the contents all rerender that was not fun.

I would like to write a few things to whomever has the same problem and is looking for
a solution, it is not a technical answer but the answers I received weren't either.

If you have the problem, no, you are not nuts.

Very simply, KeyShot knows the screen it is being displayed on. It knows the resolution of the monitor. I have a two monitor system ( extend the desktop). My main monitor is small and the
resolution is 1024x768. A landscape orientation.
Solution 1. With KeyShot open to the settings window, resize the actual program window, you will
see the settings window change to reflect what you are doing. After a little manipulation you should
get a reasonable portrait size ( not exactly 480x640) but close enough. Lock the aspect.
Solutiong 2  change the resolution of your monitor just for this one adjustment.
With the monitor resolution changed to a higher number, create a blank scene, at this point
you can go in and change the aspect number, lock the aspect, and save the document as
"template". Readjust the monitors resolution, open the template.
Voila.. Portrait size!!!!!
  If I were a a technician, program developer, tutorial writer, KeyShot dvd lesson, I could tell
you a better way.
But.
In the two book, I have about Keyshot, in the help manual that Keyshot provides.,n the two dvd lessons that I have, in the default preferences......
This principal is not addressed...
Maybe they do not consider Portraits important.
Maybe they think everyone has the same monitor, operation system, setup
Scouring this forum, there are only one or two mentions with no solution, other
than uncheck the boxes.
In some things we are on our own.
Best of luck
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Speedster on February 28, 2015, 05:29:16 AM
Lighten up...  A lot of folks are trying to help you, and you have to be patient as we try to find a solution.

I do not have this problem, and I run on three monitors including a high-end EIZO.  Frankly, I'm baffled, as in my seven years using KeyShot, this has never, as far as I know, showed up.  I can create any aspect ratio I want, at any time, just as I described in my post on your other thread.

NOTE: If you grab the window corner and resize it, it will crap out your aspect ratio.  Just open KS, maximize it and leave it alone!  Then set your aspect ratio as stated. 

I don't think there's a bug in the software, as I've never heard of this issue from anybody.  I do believe it has something to do with how you are manipulating the tools and settings, and your level of frustration is making it even worse.  Hopefully others will pipe in with guidance, if you are willing to listen to them...

Bill G
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 05:42:38 AM
Have lightened up , this is polite!!!

Am willing to listen, what am I listening to?

Same thing repeated, uncheck boxes, type numbers,

No one asks the setup
No one address the issue of the software itself blocking settings.
In another thread over a month old the moderator
says interesting problem. Then, uncheck boxes, type numbers

Thanks for the reply, this was written to help some poor sob like me
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 05:47:04 AM
NOTE: If you grab the window corner and resize it, it will crap out your aspect ratio.  Just open KS, maximize it and leave it alone!  Then set your aspect ratio as stated. 

No! It does not work.

My solution although not "technically sound" works, Look over this forum and find I am not
the only one there are at least three others. They either gave up or developed their own solution.

I spent over two hours combing this forum.
Uncheck boxes, type numbers  ain't the solution
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 06:02:55 AM
NOTE: If you grab the window corner and resize it, it will crap out your aspect ratio.  Just open KS, maximize it and leave it alone!  Then set your aspect ratio as stated. 


Not the corner window, height and width.
As you adjust the width of the window, in the setting box, the number changes.
you can produce 480.
In the height cannot produce 640 but close enough.
In the final render the aspects stay about the same.


Template seen to work the best, but not everyone is familiar and comfortable with this type of
adjustment.
I have been using a workaround for month I used the 1x1 aspect and then resized and cropped
in Photoshop.
Great job just came up that depends on a lot of 16X20 prints.
Client is very precise (other words could be used).
This problem was not being drilled down to because I had nothing better to do.
The solution itself, because of the lack of information, was frustrating.
I do thank those that bothered to reply (not a great number).
During the six hours I was coming back to this thread every 10 minutes to check.
Frustrating is not the word I would have used
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Robb63 on February 28, 2015, 06:07:35 AM
I know this can be frustrating, but people here are just trying to help you.
I don't have the issue you are having, as I can just type in a res that gives me portrait so I can't duplicate your issue.

Have you tried floating Keyshot, uncheck "lock aspect", and "lock resolution" boxes, then drag Keyshot to size it so that you have a portrait image (see attached). I know this doesn't give you exactly what you want but it might be closer, and if you get it to be portrait that way, perhaps you can then type in the res you are looking for?
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 06:30:12 AM
Thanks Robb, have an interesting update.
I have two monitor setup over two computer  ( total three monitors, two computer, switch
for one keyboard, one mouse one shared monitor).
The monitor that is the same for all I have set at a resolution of 1024x768.
The extended monitor although big is also set for 1024x768.
On the second monitor I just adjusted the resolution to a higher number, moved the program
there,    it let me type 480x640[/b
Now.
When I dragged the program back to the smaller monitor it adjusted the setting on its own
to 454x606. Not exact but at least it is still portrait in size.
Basically my problem is solved with the solutions I gave. All is now well.
I keep posting updates here because I do not want to see some poor soul go through
what I did yesterday. There might be stuff a tech can use
If someone can give  be me a technical reason would appreciate it ( would be nice to put the explanation in the manual also).
Anyone has the same problem or if I can help let me know

Remember at all times: Uncheck the boxes, type in the numbers....easy (bull)

A final suggestion to anyone who has never experienced the issue.
Adjust, just for the test, your monitor to 1024X768. and uncheck the boxes, type in the numbers.
Best of luck and thank you
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: Robb63 on February 28, 2015, 06:50:30 AM
Hey Ryter,
I switched my monitor to 1024 x 768 (it's usually 2560 x 1600), I was able to type in numbers and have the render window stay in portrait. The first time I did it, it did switch the horizontal number I type to a different number (even though I had the two boxes unchecked), but it stayed portrait.

Just a thought... have you tried typing the longer 640 in first (In the second box), and then typing the shorter 480? I seem to remember having an issue with this 5-6 years ago, and found the order I typed the res numbers made a difference.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 07:22:57 AM
Trust me I tried every way there was.
The only way I could come close was the 1x1.
I would type a number and wait awhile to try the other.
At one point I thought I was successful and then watched as the number changed.
In all instances, ALL, the settings ended up landscape.

You did, however, achieve part of the problem.

( that alone yesterday would have been a source of rejoicing to me).
The biggest hurdle I faced was not knowing if it were even possible for KeyShot to
do a portrait. All the presets in my settings box are Landscape.
When the program changes settings on its own, you know it ain't good.
Keep thinking there must be a setting for this

Thank you for staying with this, would like to eventually find a solution.

But at least if someone finds this, there are solutions and it does not need the program
to be uninstalled.
And it is not the person using the program.
And is not the computer itself.
It also means you are not alone with the problem.
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 07:47:31 AM
Robb, possible you had built in solution from having the program original
install with a larger monitor.
In research yesterday came across a problem ( not like mine)
Did not bookmark it ( selfish of me)

The solution given was to delete a html file, the explanation said that this was a
file containing individual settings.
Very possible your version of the program with your settings knows it is
on larger monitor.
(Wonder if KeyShot can make toast)
https://www.keyshot.com/forum/index.php?topic=10063.msg48081#msg48081

Update from another thread https://www.keyshot.com/forum/index.php/topic,9731.0.html
Title: Re: Poster size
Post by: rtyer on February 28, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
Over a dozen different 16x20 renders enroute to printer.
Satisfied Nit picker.
Was a busy two days!!
Thanks to all!!!

uncheck boxes, type in numbers.