Hi guys.
When you talk about the stuff coming out of a render engine, do you call it "renders" or "renderings"?
I'm a bit confused about which one is the right term. Maybe they both are?
I tend to use render, renders and rendered
Martin
My clients usually call them renderings, or photos. I call them what ever they want!
Bill G
"...When you talk about the stuff coming out of a render engine, do you call it "renders" or "renderings"?"
If it's one image it's called a render.
Multiple images are called renderi.
If the render engine is not KeyShot, it's called crap.
:) Ed Ferguson
In dutch I call it "render" ..
Working on a render is "renderen" .. which is funny cuz "renderen" (but pronounced with a longer 2nd e) means (can't find proper english translation) "to make money" or "to generate income" or "being profitable"
So there you go .. that's my job haha ;D
That being said, I think both "renders" and "renderings" are correct, I would tend to use the first more tho.
Iv asked myself the same question a hundred times. Also, I'm stuck trying to figure out what I categorise a bunch of work I want to put in my folio/website. Im a product designer, and this work isn't my designs necessarily, its just to show that I can model, render, and apply post production. Is it "CGI", "CG", "Vis", "CG Vis", "Vis Art", "Virtual Photography", 3D Art"...... etc etc. I dunno??
A publisher just asked me this question for the credits on a book cover and two-truck I did for them. We decided on "Computer Generated Image", to differentiate from the CAD Modeling.
As my friend, a now retired top executive with O&M said, "You ARE what you are perceived to be".
Bill G
Interesting question, Esben.
I'd argue for render as the verb and rendering as the noun. I call to the bar, as my first witness, the verb to paint, which produces a painting as the end-product.
The defence rests.
Excellent point, Norm. And a "painter" is one who paints. So one who renders renderings is a rendererer... ;D
Bill G
Rendering isn't very specific. If you draw something, you render it. It just means you represent something artistically.
But render has Many meanings. So if you are talking to a crowd that is unfamiliar with with what you do, then I would suggest using a more descriptive term.
Computer generated imagery is probably the best I've heard widely used because it's used in terms of special effects, which is the closest thing to what we're doing here.
I usually just say "photoshop" lol
That's where I end up spending most of my time anyway. I just finished a rendering that had a light ring behind backpainted glass that is supposed to have deadfront areas to show the light through.
And I had to wrap something in a special fabric and put that on the product as well. The rendering was the easy part. Matching the photo to the rendering, and the photoshop to get all the camera effects just right are the hard part.
Long story short, it's all mixed software for my images, so I always go with "Image Wizardry" and no one seems to question it. They just say, "How'd you do that?" Then they remember the wizard part. Who's going to question a wizard?
Ahoy there, Bill.
Yes, renderer does look a bit odd. Mind you, so does fruiterer, with that awkward double er. Maybe we could call ourselves renderistes?
renderolics
Quoterenderolics
Renderholics?
Interesting- an ad agency client called yesterday and asked if I had time to "work my magic" on one of their clients CAD models for a brochure. Of course I said yes!
So there you have it- we're "Magicians"!
Bill G
The original question was how we refer to renderings to people unfamiliar with our process. But if we're talking about what we call ourselves?
I'm a 3D animator focusing on product visualization. That's the shortest way to describe what I do to someone who isn't familiar with our world. Although, for you guys that only work in keyshot, you'd probably have to come up with something else. But I don't think there are very many people who Only work in keyshot. Most everyone also does work in Photoshop, AfterEffects, Blender, and when you need animation, you probably use something like Maya or 3dsMax.
And yes, I know you can animate things in keyshot. And you can edit video with Microsoft Movie Maker too. :/
Since 2008, when I first got KeyShot (then BunkSpeed), I market myself as an Industrial Designer (which I am) with a focus on "Rapid Visualization". I may have been the first to use that term, but many do now, as it's really pretty much what we do in the product development process. Just like Rapid Prototyping has morphed into Additive Manufacturing, or AM.
Bill G
well, rapid prototyping didn't turn into that. Additive Manufacturing is only referring to 3d printing. Rapid prototyping covers 3d printing, cnc milling (which is often several times faster for many parts), laser cutting, etc.
I do like the term Rapid Visualization though. But I probably won't use it myself because I'll often have to do renderings that are really large and require lots of photoshop. Clients don't seem to understand why I can't turn around an image for a mural in the same time as a 30 inch print. Well a mural that you walk in front of still needs to be 150dpi or so. And it's 40 feet long. Yeah. I'm not doing that in keyshot. I'm not even sure keyshot will let you put in 72000 as a number. I tried 20,000 once, and it did the rendering version of laughing at me.
Yep, "morphed" is probably not the right word, as RP uses a lot of technologies and platforms. What I was alluding to is how my, and likely your, clients perceive it. Most think of RP as "3d printing". And our industries are evolving so quickly that the terminology is only starting to pick up.
I send out some $30k to $50k a year in SLA's, FDM's, CNC, PolyJet and DMSL prototypes, and two of my clients have their own Objet machines. When I first added KeyShot (BunkSpeed back then) in 2008, I saw it as a value-added capability that other designers did not offer. Of course that's changed now, but all of my clients expect KeyShot renderings as normal. And it's also become about 30% of my sales, to other designers and ad agencies.
So all of the "Rapid Prototype", rendering, etc. have sort of merged into what I now call Rapid Visualization. Each technology has their rightful place in the process of time-to-market.
Interesting about the 150 dpi. I always thought that billboards, large banners and truck-sized wraps were printed at 72 dpi. That alone would have a big hit on rendering time. It would be interesting to test KeyShot 6 (beta) on a large rendering. So far it seems to render blistering fast!
Bill G
DPI is based on view distance. A 25 foot billboard at 150 yards only really need 6dpi to read the same as your monitor at arms length. The printer I worked with requested images at 12-18dpi. That's it. They don't want people throwing them 15,000 pixel images every day. It's overkill. The printer itself was 150dpi though. I was actually hoping for 200 because some of the details were only 8 inches or so. So some people tend to lean in to look at it. Then you see the dots. No one wants to see the dots.
Hi Guys.
A lot of interesting answers and development of the thread. I like how it went from whether a "rendering" is called a "rendering" or a "render" (not specific to anyone), over what you guys call yourself to 3d-printing and DPI :)
Anyway, I think I got an answer to what my intended questions was.
NormanHadley did a nice analogue to painting.
Quote from: NormanHadley on May 14, 2015, 07:30:45 AM
I'd argue for render as the verb and rendering as the noun. I call to the bar, as my first witness, the verb to paint, which produces a painting as the end-product.
I think I'll stick to that.
Thanks again all for your help (and interesting discussion).
Esben, you're one hell of a good rendererer!
Bill G