So, I'm almost a bit nervous to dive into the world of automotive rendering, since there are so many skilled artists on that subject here. To be honest, I've kinda postponed this until now.
I've downloaded a model from turbosquid, given that a customer wanted to have some visualization done by using a Tesla as a subject. This is not, however, related to the following images, but I wanted to have some practice before making the final ones.
I'm starting off with a detail shot, and will add more shots as soon as they are done:) And as always, any feedback is greatly appreciated.
4k available here. (http://nxportalen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teslaSblack.17_2.jpg)
KS6 + minor Photoshop.
EDIT: Adjusted the slightly burned out rim and rotated the center logo in the rim after reviews from Esben Oxholm & Chad Holton (thanks!)
I don't think you need to shy away from automotive renders with shots like that Magnus. If that's your first attempt at vehicle rendering then you have a very good eye for it and will be serious contender in the future. Keep 'em coming dude !! :P
Martin
Beautiful! I think Master Tim will have some comments, like "Bring 'em on"!
Bill G
Really nice ! I like that HDRI
Rim may be a little hot, but over all, a really nice job and agree with Martin. 8)
Quote from: TpwUK on May 04, 2016, 05:55:20 AM
I don't think you need to shy away from automotive renders with shots like that Magnus. If that's your first attempt at vehicle rendering then you have a very good eye for it and will be serious contender in the future. Keep 'em coming dude !! :P
Hah, thanks Martin! Always nice to hear your thoughts. To be completely honest, I'm not very interested in cars either, but I gotta say, I can definitely understand the addiction to it. Lots of fun with this.
Quote from: Speedster on May 04, 2016, 09:00:22 AM
Beautiful! I think Master Tim will have some comments, like "Bring 'em on"!
Thanks Bill! Yeah, if someone can point out my potential wrongdoings, it's him. Either way, the real challenge comes to an overview shot in my opinion.
Quote from: NM-92 on May 04, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
Really nice ! I like that HDRI
Thanks! Yes, it is a great environment:)
Quote from: Chad Holton on May 04, 2016, 12:01:39 PM
Rim may be a little hot, but over all, a really nice job and agree with Martin. 8)
Thank you! Yes, I noticed that myself. A tad burned out on the left side there.
Great job! :)
This is an extremely impressive image, Magnus. Can you share a little of your workflow on how you achieved such realism in the tyres?
This is awesome, Magnus.
Love your material work on the tires and brakes. Looks great!
Two minor(!) comments:
1. The top cropping at the rear mirror looks a tad odd. Looks like it is almost tangential.
2. The tire seems to be positioned very precise to have that tesla logo in the rim be exactly straight up and down. A slight rotation will help on the realism... but depends of the purpose of course.
Keep it up, dude!
Quote from: Alang7™ on May 04, 2016, 03:43:12 PM
Great job! :)
Thanks man!
Quote from: NormanHadley on May 05, 2016, 03:53:45 AM
This is an extremely impressive image, Magnus. Can you share a little of your workflow on how you achieved such realism in the tyres?
Thanks Norman. Greatly appreciate it! And sure, have a look at the material graph attached to the bottom. The realism probably comes from the roughness map, which is a slightly adjusted specular map for a copper material. I don't remember the origin of this texture, but I've attached it below. The bump map for the tire writings is not my doing, as it was attached with the model I purchased. Keep in mind that I adjust the brightness/contrast for this roughness map depending on the lighting to get the look I'm after.
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 05, 2016, 04:47:36 AM
This is awesome, Magnus.
Love your material work on the tires and brakes. Looks great!
Two minor(!) comments:
1. The top cropping at the rear mirror looks a tad odd. Looks like it is almost tangential.
2. The tire seems to be positioned very precise to have that tesla logo in the rim be exactly straight up and down. A slight rotation will help on the realism... but depends of the purpose of course.
Always a helping hand! Great feedback. Thanks. Now, I'm not sure how to handle the tangent you point out. Are you suggesting to change the angle of the image? I can see your point though.
When it comes to the logo rotation, I've updated the image, and I agree that this situation looks a tad better:)
Overwhelming feedback so far! Thank you all. Anyway, here's two fresh ones:
4k logo (http://nxportalen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teslaSblack_logo.jpg)
4k rear light (http://nxportalen.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/teslaSblack_RearLight.26.jpg)
Utterly stunning work.
Magnus, I saw these on Instagram this morning and was blown away. They look even better online! 'Mazing work man.
Thank you both Norman & Will!
Now, here's a couple of first ones for the company that requested the images. The first one is okay I guess, but I've gone blind on the speed shot. Not sure what's wrong, but there is something(?)
Yes, the first one is good but the second has a couple of details that don't seem quite right. The shadows from the car point straight down the road whereas the shadows on the tree appear to my eye to be quite oblique. Also, how about putting motion blur on the car body instead of the road? The verge looks unsuited to a moving-point camera (unless taken by a very fast, low-flying drone).
Great starting point!
A few comments:
On the first one you crop the image right at the top of the car. I think it will look better if there's a little space between the roof of the car and the edge of the image. Either that or crop the car further down.
For the second image.
The thing that I find most disturbing is the fact that the rear of the car is blurred while the front is not. I'm not sure of this would be possible in real life unless the rear is moving in another pace than the front... which I guess is not intended :)
I'll also chime in on the shadow issue that Norman mentions. Try adjust it to fit the same angle as the trees.
Looking forward to the update.
Very nice Magnus. Definitely looking forward to more auto shots now :)
Quote from: NormanHadley on May 08, 2016, 11:28:13 PM
The shadows from the car point straight down the road whereas the shadows on the tree appear to my eye to be quite oblique. Also, how about putting motion blur on the car body instead of the road? The verge looks unsuited to a moving-point camera (unless taken by a very fast, low-flying drone).
Thanks for your input Norman. It actually does look a bit strange yes, but the environment is pretty accurately positioned in relation to the backplate, so I'm not sure if this is causing the problem. It doesn't appear clearly in the backplate, but the tree shadows are coming from trees further down the road. Still, I think you are right that the shadows are a major culprit here. I tried to do a test with your suggestion, but then the road reflections caused another bit of trouble.
Regarding the motion blur, I'm not sure if I want to put motion blur on the entire car body, since this should be in focus(?)
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 09, 2016, 01:44:47 AM
On the first one you crop the image right at the top of the car. I think it will look better if there's a little space between the roof of the car and the edge of the image. Either that or crop the car further down.
Absolutely. Good call!
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 09, 2016, 01:44:47 AM
The thing that I find most disturbing is the fact that the rear of the car is blurred while the front is not. I'm not sure of this would be possible in real life unless the rear is moving in another pace than the front... which I guess is not intended :)
Yes, this is actually done deliberately, to capture something similar to this reference image: (http://www.huvumus.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2010-10-26-13-05-48-SG-1.jpg)
However, it's maybe a bit over the top?
Quote from: Josh Mings on May 09, 2016, 09:16:59 AM
Very nice Magnus. Definitely looking forward to more auto shots now :)
Thanks Josh! Always appreciated:) Not sure if there's gonna be too many auto shots, but it's definitely challenging and fun.
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Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 09, 2016, 01:44:47 AM
The thing that I find most disturbing is the fact that the rear of the car is blurred while the front is not. I'm not sure of this would be possible in real life unless the rear is moving in another pace than the front... which I guess is not intended :)
Yes, this is actually done deliberately, to capture something similar to this reference image:
However, it's maybe a bit over the top?
Ya, maybe. I don't know. If I had the choice I wouldn't do any blur on the rear, as I think it looks a bit odd. Also on you reference.
It is probably just a personal preference, so do whatever makes you (and the client) happy :)
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Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 09, 2016, 01:44:47 AM
The thing that I find most disturbing is the fact that the rear of the car is blurred while the front is not. I'm not sure of this would be possible in real life unless the rear is moving in another pace than the front... which I guess is not intended :)
Yes, this is actually done deliberately, to capture something similar to this reference image:
However, it's maybe a bit over the top?
Ya, maybe. I don't know. If I had the choice I wouldn't do any blur on the rear, as I think it looks a bit odd. Also on you reference.
It is probably just a personal preference, so do whatever makes you (and the client) happy :)
Ya well, don't get me wrong though, it's not gonna be included in the next effort :)
LOVE it!!!! I like it very much! The materials, lights....all fit well :)
Love the 1st 2nd & 3rd ones Magnus, very nice indeed for a virgin car render :)
Cheers Arian, John! Much obliged.
Alright, second try for a speed shot after feedback from Norman&Esben. Thanks! Such great and valuable assistance from trained eyes in this community. So, keep on knitpicking on this car virgin renderer if you have anything.
Also: I tried to add some custom lighting to this setup by adding some blending pins to the HDRI for this image, but I wasn't able to make it look good at all. It just looked oversaturated at the lighted areas. Using "add" didn't do much either. Is IES lighting the way to go in this case?
Hey Magnus.
Better, but I still think you can improve!
It looks like your background motion blur is at the same amount across the entire image.
Would it be possible for you to adjust it to be more prominent close to the camera and less in the far distance?
Take a look at this Volvo image for reference: http://assets.volvocars.com/~/media/images/galleries/new-cars/v40cc/gallery/gallery_1_exterior/volvo_v40_cross_country_3.jpg?w=4096
Hope it helps :)
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 15, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
It looks like your background motion blur is at the same amount across the entire image.
Would it be possible for you to adjust it to be more prominent close to the camera and less in the far distance?
Take a look at this Volvo image for reference: http://themeforest.net/item/oshine-creative-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/full_screen_preview/9545812
Thank you for taking the time, Esben. However, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, as the reference link seems to be pointing at a wordpress theme. Would you mind review that link?
Quote from: Magnus Skogsfjord on May 16, 2016, 03:36:16 AM
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 15, 2016, 12:27:22 AM
It looks like your background motion blur is at the same amount across the entire image.
Would it be possible for you to adjust it to be more prominent close to the camera and less in the far distance?
Take a look at this Volvo image for reference: http://themeforest.net/item/oshine-creative-multipurpose-wordpress-theme/full_screen_preview/9545812
Thank you for taking the time, Esben. However, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, as the reference link seems to be pointing at a wordpress theme. Would you mind review that link?
I think what Esben is pointing out is that the backplate motion blur is going to be most extreme closer to the camera. This is a stylistic thing that seems to be done incorrectly to achieve a certain look. I think it's another case of personal preference. However, the further your subject or environment is from your lens, the less motion blur it will have.
Here's a resource that might help you achieve more realism: http://canon5dtips.com/photo/shooting-car-in-motion-car-photography/ (http://canon5dtips.com/photo/shooting-car-in-motion-car-photography/)
I agree with your thoughts on it being a bit oversaturated. Also, seems like the car could stand to be highlighted a bit better while still respecting the environment/backplate.
Damn right... Linked has been corrected.
http://assets.volvocars.com/~/media/images/galleries/new-cars/v40cc/gallery/gallery_1_exterior/volvo_v40_cross_country_3.jpg?w=4096
To chime in on Will's explanation, objects that are far away will move less (at least visually because of perspective) and therefore will have less motion blur. Some people might exaggerate this effect, but I think it is the more correct (and better looking imo) solution compared to an equally blurred background... :)
hope it helped?
Quote from: willgibbonsdesign on May 16, 2016, 08:20:16 AM
I think what Esben is pointing out is that the backplate motion blur is going to be most extreme closer to the camera. This is a stylistic thing that seems to be done incorrectly to achieve a certain look. I think it's another case of personal preference. However, the further your subject or environment is from your lens, the less motion blur it will have.
Here's a resource that might help you achieve more realism: http://canon5dtips.com/photo/shooting-car-in-motion-car-photography/ (http://canon5dtips.com/photo/shooting-car-in-motion-car-photography/)
I agree with your thoughts on it being a bit oversaturated. Also, seems like the car could stand to be highlighted a bit better while still respecting the environment/backplate.
Thanks for your input Will! Interesting read you posted there. Especially that final section there. I've always wondered if the motion blur could be in a circular(ish) motion, as opposed to strictly linear. Guess it's kinda obvious, but I haven't found any good example on it (until now).
Quote from: Esben Oxholm on May 16, 2016, 09:41:14 AM
Damn right... Linked has been corrected.
http://assets.volvocars.com/~/media/images/galleries/new-cars/v40cc/gallery/gallery_1_exterior/volvo_v40_cross_country_3.jpg?w=4096
To chime in on Will's explanation, objects that are far away will move less (at least visually because of perspective) and therefore will have less motion blur. Some people might exaggerate this effect, but I think it is the more correct (and better looking imo) solution compared to an equally blurred background... :)
Ahh, I have never noticed that. Didn't encounter that effect on my shallow research on the subject. That helps alot! Thanks! I've given it a new shot based on the new input from you guys. Let me know if you still find something off. Great stuff!
Edit: Throwing in a studio shot as well. Fresh out of the..bakery..hm.
That studio shot is great. Do you add that particles/dust in post production ? It looks great
Quote from: NM-92 on May 16, 2016, 01:31:31 PM
That studio shot is great. Do you add that particles/dust in post production ? It looks great
Thanks! It's added post yes. Just a couple of simple "lighten" overlays with a bunch of tillt shift bokeh effect.
Glad you found the link interesting. I find lots of photography-based knowledge goes a long way in KS use.
Although I can tell you modified your motion-blurred rendering, I think the transition is a bit harsh. I think Esben's link of the Volvo is really good (not over-done motion blur).
The studio shot is great! I love the extra love given in PS. I'm currently interested in learning how more of these 'camera' effects can be done in KeyShot.
Quote from: willgibbonsdesign on May 17, 2016, 11:44:45 AM
Glad you found the link interesting. I find lots of photography-based knowledge goes a long way in KS use.
Although I can tell you modified your motion-blurred rendering, I think the transition is a bit harsh. I think Esben's link of the Volvo is really good (not over-done motion blur).
The studio shot is great! I love the extra love given in PS. I'm currently interested in learning how more of these 'camera' effects can be done in KeyShot.
I think you may be right. I'll try to give it more subtlety on my next effort.
Yeah, I've tried a couple of times to follow the Andy Jones tutorial for bokeh effect (don't know if you've seen that), but I haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet. I find it challenging positioning the planes correctly. Thanks though! :)