Just finished building our new workstation and couldn't wait to run the KeyShot benchmark. Without any tweaking it hit 506.4 fps. It has dual Xeon 8173M's (112 cores) running on Windows 10 Pro. Going to play with some settings and see if we can squeeze a little more juice out of it.
:o *speechless*
Man, wish I could come up with cash to build a system like that. I'd need to start making animations exclusively.
CPU's are $3500 a piece :-[
still, freaking awesome numbers. I'm experiencing the curse of more cores though, I've got dual 12 core CPU's, but the Clock is so slow that it is making running dynamic sims pretty painful, and the performance in single core applications is pretty lame. But, our render server running 32 cores (64 threads) is now fast enough to keep up with 2 artists feeding it images.
Fun stuff!
We haven't been able to run any customer renders on it yet. The plan right now is to have this new machine at our table at RenderWorld. So if you plan on being there bring a project to render.
As far as bang for your buck I think our 88 core machines are still a better way to go (2x e5-2696 v4's). You're right Matt it's still all about clock speed for those single thread apps. Our i7-8700k runs circles around the 88 core machine and will crush the 112 core machine in SolidWorks.
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 20, 2018, 11:02:03 AM
We haven't been able to run any customer renders on it yet. The plan right now is to have this new machine at our table at RenderWorld. So if you plan on being there bring a project to render.
As far as bang for your buck I think our 88 core machines are still a better way to go (2x e5-2696 v4's). You're right Matt it's still all about clock speed for those single thread apps. Our i7-8700k runs circles around the 88 core machine and will crush the 112 core machine in SolidWorks.
Wow that's super great! my next target keyshot workstation build will be a quad E7 on a Supermicro board all water cooled. Not anytime soon though :)
I am running Solidworks on an iMac Pro 18 cores with 9 cores dedicated to Parallels. I keep the windows Performance utility running in the background and I work with very large assemblies. The CPU % never goes over 50%. The reason I am sticking with my iMac pro for Solidworks is because I am modeling on an amazing 5k screen. But I would consider moving to a PC if what you guys are saying makes a difference in working speed.
I use one of my 88 threads pc's (2 x e5-2696) as a gaming machine too with 2 x 1080ti Nvidia. I run all my games on Ultra with always over 60fps.
Now that's a gaming rig!!!
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 19, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Just finished building our new workstation and couldn't wait to run the KeyShot benchmark. Without any tweaking it hit 506.4 fps. It has dual Xeon 8173M's (112 cores) running on Windows 10 Pro. Going to play with some settings and see if we can squeeze a little more juice out of it.
May I ask, how you tweak the machine?
what possibilities are there to crank out a bit more?
thanks a bunch in advance!
cheers
designgestalt
It is built on a workstation board that has overclocking abilities so we are going to see if we can give the cpu's a little boost. Not sure how stable it will be but it's worth a shot. Might also have a source for some 8180's to replace the 8173m's.
Quote from: designgestalt on April 24, 2018, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 19, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Just finished building our new workstation and couldn't wait to run the KeyShot benchmark. Without any tweaking it hit 506.4 fps. It has dual Xeon 8173M's (112 cores) running on Windows 10 Pro. Going to play with some settings and see if we can squeeze a little more juice out of it.
May I ask, how you tweak the machine?
what possibilities are there to crank out a bit more?
thanks a bunch in advance!
cheers
designgestalt
If you're interested in this, research 'overclocking a cpu' online and you'll learn what the process is like. Basically, you can send more power to the cpu and increase the frequency of its operations to make it run a bit faster. Of course, this comes at your own risk and shouldn't be done without extensive research. Though, there's plenty of documentation online if interested in learning more.
Quote from: designgestalt on April 24, 2018, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 19, 2018, 03:39:32 PM
Just finished building our new workstation and couldn't wait to run the KeyShot benchmark. Without any tweaking it hit 506.4 fps. It has dual Xeon 8173M's (112 cores) running on Windows 10 Pro. Going to play with some settings and see if we can squeeze a little more juice out of it.
May I ask, how you tweak the machine?
what possibilities are there to crank out a bit more?
thanks a bunch in advance!
cheers
designgestalt
I personally wouldn't recommend overclocking. First it takes time to find a sweet spot. And even with the sweet spot you will have the system crashing from time to time. So the time that you saved by having a faster system will be wasted by those crashing time + the frustration and wearing the hardware. That's my two cents.
I agree with the stability issues and it isn't for everyone. But at the same time I enjoy working on getting a system to that sweet spot.
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 27, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
I agree with the stability issues and it isn't for everyone. But at the same time I enjoy working on getting a system to that sweet spot.
Meh, doesn't seem that difficult :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJvHJ1hyto
hahahaha! I need to find time to watch that. 8)
Those overclocking competitions are cool (literally)!!
I am curious to see the results after the overclocking. Is it possible to list the components list (motherboard brand and such)? And please as well if it's possible to post the snapshots of the fps.
thank you so much
Case: Thermaltake Core P5
MB: Asus WS C621E
CPU: 2x Xeon 8173M
Graphics Card: nVidia Quadro P4000
HDD: Samsung 960 Pro M.2 500gb
RAM: 4x Crucial 16gb pc4-21300 ecc registered
Cooling: 2x Dynatron B14
Power: Corsair AX1200i
Cables: BitFenix braided cables
I'll get some fps screen shots posted in a bit.
Not sure why the picture came in rotated.
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on April 30, 2018, 12:08:03 PM
Not sure why the picture came in rotated.
Likely that the weight of all those cores flipped it over :'P
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I'll get some fps screen shots posted in a bit.
Any update on those screenshots before and after the overclocking?
My wife says "you need to be overclocked" every night!
Bill G
Xeon processors are un-overclockable, just saying. I'll be happy to be wrong and if someone can show me how to do it
Can you post a benchmark .bip file for us to compare our computers to yours? Or post a keyshot camera sample benchmark and let it go for say 3-5 min so we can see how many samples you reached VS what we reach at home with ours?
Here it is running the camera benchmark.
As far as overclocking xeon's, this new chipset is in fact unlocked and overclockable. Being that they are fairly new there isn't a whole lot of info. LinusTechTips has a video on youtube where he oc'd some 8180's.
Thank you for sharing.
I think you were referring to that video https://youtu.be/MIIAz3i7v1E
The system is unstable and what is the performance gain vs dealing with an unstable system. Time is money.
I am interested to see a quad 8180 benchmark. I am itching into building a quad 8168 on a modified super micro SYS-2049U-TR4, then when the 8180 price drops will swap the cpus.
Time is money and if we can achieve even a stable 10% gain for our render farm customers we think that it's worth it.
good luck with that, please posts the achievements when ready. thanks
I am puzzled that you are willing to offer professional rendering services on overclocked systems. Stability should be number one. Angry customers are the worse for a business. Why would you take that risk?
He is talking about a stable overclock.
Quote from: menizzi on May 16, 2018, 12:14:03 PM
He is talking about a stable overclock.
There is no such thing. I am a computer and communication engineer and I used to work with Intel in Portland and Hillsboro. Overclocking = instability. Some people are willing to do that for gaming and personal use. That's why by nature Xeon processors are usually locked. It seems like there are some exceptions now like the 8180. What if the system crashes once every two weeks. Does it worth it? Companies and professional services do not overclock by standard.
hnax, not sure why you are questioning how we are providing services to our customers? We don't run servers or workstations in production that aren't stable (overclocked or not).
As to your comment that no overclock is stable I will disagree. I have been building, working with and overclocking computers for years and there can be a stable overclocked computer.
Quote from: 3D Off the Page on May 16, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
Time is money and if we can achieve even a stable 10% gain for our render farm customers we think that it's worth it.
I was responding to that. You saw the video from youtube that you referred to. Xeon are not designed for overclocking and won't be stable.
With the chips being unlocked mb manufacturers will continue to release bios updates that will aid in stability. I posted the video in reference to your post that asked for some info regarding xeon being able to be overclocked. In the video he was able to overclock the cpu's (if I remember correctly he oc'd by 5 or 7%). These aren't for use by gamers that are overclocking by 25% or more. As I stated in a previous post if we can find a way to stably overclock by 10% we are able to pass that time and dollar savings onto our customers. Of course if it isn't stable we don't overclock. It does us no good to have unreliable service.
Okay cool, I am with you. Please update the thread when you find out. I am curious.
Will do.
And let me know if you ever find 8180's at a reduced price!!
One of my systems is built on an Asus Z10PE-D16 WS. And the other two on a SuperMicro X10DRG-Q. All dual E5-2696.
The SuperMicro is about 9% faster than the Asus on multiple different benchmarks. I would invest into getting a better motherboard that is more quality/stability than overclocking an Asus. That's another way of looking at things.
Looks like the 32 Core TR might put the rest of us very close to your setup. It would be nice to be around your speed for a $1500 ish cpu.
We just finished putting a 96 core 1950x thread ripper farm together (3 - 32 thread machines). In testing the 96 thread TR farm and the 112 thread machine they were within 10% of each other (5'ish minutes for a single frame). 1950x obviously has a much faster clock speed. If we setup the 112 thread machine as a 96 thread network slave we then definitely loose some rendering performance (time more than doubled). Running the same image on one of our 360 thread render farms the render time was knocked down to 3 minutes for that single frame.
When testing an animation the 360 thread farm was 2.5 hours while 96 thread ripper render farm was a little over 6 hours.
The thread ripper 2 cpu will be interesting to test when it comes out since it will be using the same socket as the current thread ripper and should only require a bios update.
We built the 96 thread farm as a test for a new service we will be offering soon allowing our customers to have dedicated and unlimited access to a farm in month long segments. We will take care of the machines, licenses and any KeyShot upgrades. If that is something that interests you keep watching for more information otherwise send us an email at info@3dotp.com with any questions or to be kept in the loop.
Exciting stuff! Thanks for sharing.