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Title: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: jet1990 on April 26, 2019, 03:24:49 AM
Hi All,

Just placed an order for my new machine that will be used primarily for solidworks modelling and keyshot rendering. I'm very eager to see what figures it pulls on the benchmark. Specs are:

PNY Quadro P2000 5GB GPU
500gb Samsung Evo Plus M.2-2280 SSD
Asus Prime X399-A AMD Socket TR4 Motherboard
AMD Threadripper 2990WX 32 Core
Kraken liquid all in one cpu cooler
Corsair vengeance LPX 64gb 3200MHz DDR4
Dual samsung 4k monitors

Im coming from using a single cpu 8 core i7 so this should make a huge difference in performance.

what do you think of this system?
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: Eugen Fetsch on April 26, 2019, 03:37:49 AM
I have almost the same config - the threadripper is a beast. But what if KS v9 will have GPU acceleration :o 
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: jet1990 on April 26, 2019, 07:17:49 AM
How are you finding your overall set up?

If it has GPU acceleration that i can only predict faster render times for me  ;D
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: Eugen Fetsch on April 26, 2019, 09:06:25 AM
The setup is good. Most important is the cost-benefit ratio and it's awesome. :)

64x 4GHz Threads + 64GB RAM vs. P2000 5GB ... it is hard to tell who will win the battle. 

I did some tests in Blender 2.79 and the 2990WX beats the 1080Ti on rendering by far. Even with two 1080Ti enabled I couldn't beat the "ripper" :)

But it's highly dependent on the render engine and how optimized the algorithms are. In Blender 2.80 the same scene takes 58 sec on CPU and 46 sec on 2x1080Ti.

But even if a GPU is a bit faster. What does it mean in the long run?

Power consumption:
2x 1080Ti = 500W + an air conditioner
1x 2990WX = 250W + a slightly open window ;D
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: richardfunnell on April 26, 2019, 10:03:46 AM
I got my threadripper yesterday, it's been pretty nice so far! will have to try some taxing scenes on it soon.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: jet1990 on May 16, 2019, 02:52:47 AM
Just got my system today. Booted keyshot's benchmark scene up and im getting an FPS of around 75. I'm stumped as i have no idea why this is.

any ideas? this is with 100% CPU (64 cores)

im also noticing the system to be running a bit slow and laggy which is frustrating as a new machine at these specs shouldnt be doing that.

thanks
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: Eugen Fetsch on May 16, 2019, 03:08:55 AM
Call the dealer if possible.
One colleague got a new machine with defect CPU fan and had almost the same issue.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: jet1990 on May 16, 2019, 04:11:16 AM
thats what im suspecting. The current clock is 0.54 GHz with a CPU temp of 80 degrees C. I'm taking it back in to have it looked at.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: jet1990 on May 16, 2019, 07:17:15 AM
Took the PC back. They opened it up and realised they left some packing foam inside; this must have started to hotbox the case and cause overheating. Got it back and everything is fine. FPS is registering at around the 510 mark!
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: Eugen Fetsch on May 16, 2019, 07:22:01 AM
 :D funny.
Similar for my 2990WX ... 510 - 515 fps.  So, happy rendering ;)
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: SK1107 on June 02, 2019, 01:57:26 AM
Quote from: camomiles on April 26, 2019, 03:37:49 AM
I have almost the same config - the threadripper is a beast. But what if KS v9 will have GPU acceleration :o

It won't have GPU acceleration.

I've asked about GPU acceleration sometime ago.  Keyshot replied that it would take a lot of resources to keep rendering software stable in situation when Nvidia issues updates for GPU drivers all the time.  So they prefer to stick to CPUs.

Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: DMerz III on June 02, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
@SK1107 - I think that thought has changed, this 'GPU' centric event back in Feburary had Henrik as a speaker, where he specifically talks about RTX speeding up rendering. Why would he be there talking about RTX GPU things if Luxion wasn't going to implement this technology?

Here's a snippet from the page;

KeyShot is widely used in industrial design to visualize products for design evaluations, marketing images, technical illustrations, and more. We'll discuss our experience integrating RTX support into KeyShot. We'll explain why we decided to use RTX and outline the technical design decisions we made to provide the best experience for our users.

Here's the link to the event listing on Keyshot.com.

https://www.keyshot.com/event/gpu-technology-conference-2019/
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: SK1107 on June 02, 2019, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: DMerz III on June 02, 2019, 05:46:12 PM
@SK1107 - I think that thought has changed, this 'GPU' centric event back in Feburary...

Thanks David!
I missed that article.  It would be awesome if Keyshot will be able to use GPU!

Thanks
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: DriesV on June 03, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
Yes, KeyShot 9 will have GPU rendering. It will be supported on NVIDIA cards from the Maxwell generation (e.g. GeForce GTX 980) and newer.
It will run especially fast on the newest RTX cards, as the GPU rendering leverages the RT cores of those cards for raytracing.
It will not run on AMD graphics cards.

Dries
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: SK1107 on June 03, 2019, 02:12:21 AM
Quote from: DriesV on June 03, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
Yes, KeyShot 9 will have GPU rendering. It will be supported on NVIDIA cards from the Maxwell generation (e.g. GeForce GTX 980) and newer.
It will run especially fast on the newest RTX cards, as the GPU rendering leverages the RT cores of those cards for raytracing.
It will not run on AMD graphics cards.

Dries

Hey Dries, 

1. Is there any benchmark for RTX or at least rough estimates of additional processing power RTX will add?
2. Will GPUs be available for Network Rendering or NR will keep working with CPUs only?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: DriesV on June 03, 2019, 04:06:45 AM
Quote from: SK1107 on June 03, 2019, 02:12:21 AM
Quote from: DriesV on June 03, 2019, 12:00:08 AM
Yes, KeyShot 9 will have GPU rendering. It will be supported on NVIDIA cards from the Maxwell generation (e.g. GeForce GTX 980) and newer.
It will run especially fast on the newest RTX cards, as the GPU rendering leverages the RT cores of those cards for raytracing.
It will not run on AMD graphics cards.

Dries

Hey Dries, 

1. Is there any benchmark for RTX or at least rough estimates of additional processing power RTX will add?
2. Will GPUs be available for Network Rendering or NR will keep working with CPUs only?

Thanks!

Since GPU rendering is still under development, nothing definitive can be said regarding your two questions.
The complete and definitive feature set will be be announced/communicated when the development is done.

Regarding the speedup with RTX, then it will be dependent on the nature of the scene. Scenes that rely heavily on raytracing, and not so much on complex shading, will benefit the most.
There are a number of KeyShot raytracing features that will run particularly fast on GPU. Examples are Occlusion and Curvature textures, (soft) shadows, volumetric rendering.

Dries
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: RRIS on June 03, 2019, 07:03:23 AM
I do hope CPU rendering or CPU+GPU will remain/be an option.. oh well, will be following the updates with a lot of interest :)
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: menizzi on June 17, 2019, 01:19:41 PM
64c TR are dropping at the end of the year. Ignore the 15% gain on each of the cores and i would put the benchmark KS file at 1000 fps.   
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: mattjgerard on June 18, 2019, 05:06:25 AM
Dang, we are just spec'ing new computers now, and I just read that KS is going GPU? So, does that mean that I should save money on my CPU and dump some in to a couple nice 2080 cards? Or do we need both? This rig has to last me 5 years , which I know is an eternity in computer hardware terms, but that's corporate america for you. Or is this going to be a hybrid type render where some passes will be rendered cpu and some rendered on the GPU?
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: menizzi on June 18, 2019, 09:48:10 AM
Its a real bad time to buy. When the Super 2080 GPU come out that is going to lower the price of the current GPU with the launch of AMD X570 boards coming out that is also going to lower all the current chips and if you could have waited till the end of the year for the 64C to drop that would drop all of the current TR chips or bought a few of those. Not a good time to buy at all. Balance it out if you are buying now or wait till the end of the year to see what AMD rolls out. I don't know what your work load is so anything i say is rather pointless but...I would build out as many 32C as i could because i can always sell the CPU and plug a 7nm in if i wanted power savings and the 15% IPC gain per chiplet and get an ok gpu 2nd because my thinking is a cpu will benefit the whole workload all the time but a gpu will only help in "some case". Let us know what you buy.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: mattjgerard on June 18, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
Totally bad timing, I know. Corp wants us to have them in place week after July 4th. Current workstation is almost 5 years old, so anything new would be an upgrade. And I also know that there is always something newer/better/faster on the horizon so its never really the perfect time to buy. At least graphics card are easily upgraded. It just depends on if IT will let us go with a third party builder for an AMD 2990wx build or if they will spring for a comparable Dual Xeon Gold CPU HP box for twice the money but will fit within their larger HP platform and support contracts.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: RRIS on June 21, 2019, 06:31:26 AM
Quote from: mattjgerard on June 18, 2019, 12:05:58 PM
Totally bad timing, I know. Corp wants us to have them in place week after July 4th. Current workstation is almost 5 years old, so anything new would be an upgrade. And I also know that there is always something newer/better/faster on the horizon so its never really the perfect time to buy. At least graphics card are easily upgraded. It just depends on if IT will let us go with a third party builder for an AMD 2990wx build or if they will spring for a comparable Dual Xeon Gold CPU HP box for twice the money but will fit within their larger HP platform and support contracts.

I'd still prioritize CPU over GPU.. depends on what you use for CAD work though? Solidworks is single-threaded, so a fast CPU is still a good way to go for both rendering and modeling.
Title: Re: Just ordered my new machine
Post by: mattjgerard on June 21, 2019, 07:12:46 AM
I don't do CAD in my current position. I'm 60%Keyshot,  30% Cinema 4d (Single threaded mostly for simulations) 10% light photoshop work, so really nothing GPU intensive.

Had the meeting with IT, they said no way in corporate hell would they do anything but HP computers. They already have a huge service contract with them, so the cost of the computer over 5 year replacement cycle is worth spending more on. Currently looking at a Z6 workstation with dual Intel Gold 6142 CPU's (32cores/64Threads) Running at 2.6ghz/3.7turbo. Our Z8 render node with those processors will run the camera benchmark at about 450-460fps. Slight bit better than the 140 I'm getting on my old tired out Z640.

So, if KS goes more into the GPU territory for some things, that's a heckuva lot cheaper and easier to upgrade later than the CPU's. I'm running a gtx980 right now, so any upgrade from that old workhorse would be nice.